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scifitwin wrote in 35minutes_ago
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Discussion topic: How well do you think the giant squid plan will work?

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I like your idea about Adrian still having Dr. Manhattan's powers to use when he needs in the film. The final shot, of all of the Veidt-labelled machinery rebuilding New York, really reiterated that idea that the world was now at the mercy of one man (despite that Veidt Industries probably wasn't rebuilding cities in other countries - how multinational was his company?). The question here is how long will Jon, as well as Laurie and Dan, feel ethically compelled to keep quiet about Adrian if he is to trigger more Dr. Manhattan-bombs?

I've always been pretty skeptical about the 'peace' that the world is left in at the end of the book. From a happily-every-after point of view, I'd like to agree with you that the New Frontiersman publishing Rorschach's journal really won't change anything and that Veidt's decision was a pretty ultimate one. But how peaceful can a world be if everyone is paranoid about another alien invasion? Like you said, in reality the war has ended, but now the world thinks they are in a much bigger one. The world's at peace but I doubt it's a very comfortable peace for anyone; for different reasons, everyone (perhaps maybe Veidt?) views it as a fragile peace.

I think, in terms of preventing a Cold War and maintaining America's security, the fallibility of Veidt's plan was his choice of target. I just found it hard to believe that Russia was so easily convinced that their enemy was attacked by aliens at the height of the war, and were so willing to join them against this 'new threat'. And again, the film's Veidt really didn't seem to fix that either, by using Dr. Manhattan, purposefully seen by other countries as the symbol of America's strength and nuclear power. He attacked many cities, New York and California amongst them, but again, I don't think Russia would be so quick to help their enemy when it was an American icon who was responsible for it all.

Well, I'd imagine that depends on if the world denegrates enough during Adrian's lifetime to a state he deems that necessary. And if Jon actually keeps a close enough eye on Earth to see what happens...

There's also the fact that, IIRC (My copy of the GN has been borrowed by my housemate, who wanted to read it after we saw the movie) the place the squid landed was set up to look as if it had shown up by an paranormal research institute started playing with things it didn't fully understand which, I suspect, Adrian was using to give people the "if we stay away from that, they won't come back" excuse.

We're getting back into discussion of human nature here, aren't we? And just how accurate Machiavelli was when it comes to the power of fear. That said, given recent times it seems that nothing brings people together like grief and horror. Whether the disasters have been natural or man-made. But again, with time that fades. Veidt just moved things back to a more peaceful starting position.

Also, the novel and the movie both gave me, at least, the impression that Russia was sort of playing chicken with the US in regards to war. If America loses Dr Manhattan, it also loses it's big gun, and Russia no longer has an opposing force to push against - especially if the US Forces have turned on themself. But yeah, it remains a question.

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